PPCs clash over ‘March for England’ event in Brighton

32 Responses to PPCs clash over ‘March for England’ event in Brighton

1. 

   Bill Baker

   April 21, 2010 at 5:34 pm

   March for England has support from all political affiliations as we are not a political movement but a patriotic cause that seek recognition of our English culture and pride in being English and the right to display our patriotism openly. If kids with painted faces and dressed up in St Georges Cross paraphernalia parading with their parents alongside war veterans are seen as a threat to socialists that they have to threaten them, then what a sad state of affairs this country is coming to. Simon Burgess seems to have a totalitarian attitude that the streets are owned by socialist values, which I find most repugnant and it is through people like this fool that people seek alternatives politically and equally repugnant forces such as the BNP profit from there anti English rhetoric. We will march on our route and not deter and if anyone attacks our parade then expect us to defend our rights as English citizens to retaliate. All are welcome no matter race religion or political preferences they are, all that is expected is that you do not bring any political or anti religious banners or wear clothing that relates to any other groups and that you support the English nation and our patron saint and his flag, the St George Cross.
2. 

   Pompey Dave

   April 21, 2010 at 5:54 pm

   Here is full list of links on our web site. Yes there is a link to the EDL. But where are the links to the far right Mr Burgess mentions? These our the links on our site listed below. This does not mean we endorse every aspect in the links.

   Burning Our Money

   Rogue Gunner

   Tommy English

   Theo Spark

   The Witanagemot Club

   English Defence League

   Bare Naked Islam

   CHARITYS

   Breakthrough Breast Cancer

   Great Ormond Street Hospital

   Help for Heroes

   Royal British Legion

   The Forces Childrens Trust

   The Steadfast Trust

   Soldiers Off The Street

   FRIENDS AND LINKS

   Steadfast Online

   Stone Cross – St George

   Anglo Saxon

   We Are The English

   United British Alliance

   UK Tabloid

   Urban 75

   Justice for England

   English Defence League

   Casuals United

   St Georges Day

   Justice March For Baby P

   Choose a theme: March For England Winter 4:48 PM Apr 21
3. 

   Pompey Dave

   April 21, 2010 at 7:15 pm

   Does Mr Burgess not realise that this is not an EDL event? It is organised by March for England who held 13 events in 2009 with not one arrest nor even a caution. We had hoped for yet another peacefull parade in Brighton this year. All that seems now doomed. We have had families telling us they can longer attend over concern for the safety of thier children. Why should they be put at risk Mr Burgess ?
   I strongly recomend Mr Burgess looks into our group with a clear vision. Iranian Exiles, Gurkhas and many coloured lads who join us would be offended by his remarks.
   I am disgusted that young children are being put at risk by ill informed people who just seem to jumping on the band wagon to gain votes.
4. 

   Adrian Thurston

   April 21, 2010 at 8:31 pm

   I don’t think UAF have any affiliations to England. They are purely and basically British, probably without even knowing why they are British. They could be American for all they cared!

   As we all know, Britain is a multinational political union formed in 1707 but which became defunct as a legitimate affiliation in 1998, when the British Monarch deliberately signed up to the Scottish Pledge of Allegiance and put Scotland First above the other nations in the union by signing the 3 Acts of Devolution which specifically excluded England from the British Union entirely; clearly out of sheer spite.

   Since the 3 Acts of Devolution, the British state has constantly and aggressively been attempting to change the name of England to Britain by massive media propaganda through campaigns of indoctrination aimed purely at English people. This appears to be so that England may be used as the depository for all the low earning peoples of the world for their monetarist international paymasters who believe that “foreigners are better and cheaper”.

   The obvious end result is to destroy England and the English people along with their stout and virtuous spirit and glorious culture because England Expects to rule in England. The British are basically “temporarilly in charge” and are just basic people with little inner strength and no guts. The British are slaves to modern aristocrats, oligarchs and libertarians because they have no thoughts themselves. They are nothing special, just reliant upon their beloved and crooked party political government and all it’s institutions organisations and authorities.

   England represents freedom of expression, freedom of thought, de-restriction, de-regulation, abolition of censorship, mandatory private religion, mandatory duty to public civic citizenship along with a faith in the one true destiny of England: One country, one people, one God.

   UAF represent fascism, an enforced British police state, uncontrolled drugs supply to the weak-willed, unpunished crime, glorification of criminals, anti-culturists, institutionalised ignorance, blind hate of anyone who believes in something they do not, and the most damning of all: elementalism.
5. 

   Bill Baker

   April 21, 2010 at 9:40 pm

   Mr Simon Burgess is going to get no where positive with his attitude toward patriot causes such as march for England
6. 

   Ed Andrews

   April 22, 2010 at 2:07 am

   I’m responding to NewsfromBrighton’s request for a commitment that a confrontation is not sought. No way, not from our side (Unity). We are not a mob, come and join us on the day, you wil see that. Our plan is to celebrate Brighton’s tradition of multiculturalism and tolerance, which we extend towards March for England – we’re not actually trying to stop the March from taking place. We have a right to assemble too, despite UKIP’s apparent belief that we do not. Will they never learn that this is what all our people fought for in WW2? UKIP just want to throw all that away, and it’s such an insult to those who fought for democracy in that war. Hopefully in our own ways we’re celebrating the same thing. Our problem is with the involvement of the EDL. What they did in Stoke, assaulting a WPC and any Asian shopkeeper they came across was vile. March for England (inadvertently or otherwise) encourage these people by linking to their site, and they haven’t done enough to distance themselves from these violent racist thugs. I’ve been out on St George’s Day myself, enjoying a pint with CAMRA and watching the Morris Dancers, but I don’t use the occasion for a punch-up. If Sunday’s March is about real ale and Morris Dancers, fine, but if it turns into something else (for example, a drunken march up Kemptown to smash the windows of the gay establishments there), then BELIEVE, we will be there to defend the area in our hundreds, and your March for England will become to be seen as a front for racist thuggery – something I’m sure you want to avoid. Next year we will know not to extend to you the tolerance we (perhaps mistakenly) are showing you now. I’m convinced the organisers or March for England have no such intention, far from it, not do I believe that’s likely to happen, but you just can’t trust the EDL. Most of them see themselves as the BNP’s street army.
7. 

   Pompey Dave

   April 22, 2010 at 7:50 pm

   Oi Ed.
   I am getting a bit sick of all this. Lets make it clear to all. 2008 our first march in Brighton led by 13 Ex Gurkhas. Not exactly the actions of a racist group? Did we attack anyone ? No
   2009 a family day with no trouble at all.
   I would be more than willing to have a drink and join you. except for the small point of the UAF threatning our march with violence even though they know women children oap and Ex servicemen are on this march. Then when i thought it could get no worse they start urging others to bring weapons to use on us. I have passed these comments and copies of them to Brighton Police.
   I repeat i organised the last two events in Brighton and this one. Not the EDL,The EDL are not supporting it or advertising it.
8. 

   Bill Baker

   April 22, 2010 at 10:12 pm

   I think you need to get hold of the students in the Sussex uni who are promoting and inciting violence before even accusing these veterans and families of being anything other than Patriots. Your socialist values do not own the streets and will not be tolerated any longer as being politically correct, for the actions by the UAF are so incorrect it is unbelievable. Take your socialist values and do with them as you please but dont try and impress them on us as we are not interested. We see our own value of political correctness as being justified in our rights supporting our English values and patriotism towards our Country, without socialist scum from the UAF threatening our families.
9. 

   Paul Perrin

   April 22, 2010 at 10:50 pm

   @Ed Andrews

   Ed you know full well how the ‘counter march’ was promoted – it called for the MfE to be outnumbered so the march could be stopped.

   I was banned from the facebook group for saying that I couldn’t understand why two anti-racist groups (MfE and UAF) were being set up *against* each other.

   On that issue aren’t you on the same side ? did UAF speak to MfE before the ill judged letter was signed/issued ?

   If UAF haven’t done so already – then please speak to MfE before the event – noone is going to risk their childrens safety, so you risk polarising the whole thing for no benefit at all.
10. 

    Bill Baker

    April 22, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    I can assure you Paul, that the safety of any of our children attending will be ensured and any attack on them, missiles thrown at them or other such violent action will be defended against. We have no reasoning with the UAF in the same way as we have no reasoning with the BNP as we disagree with both groups and there violent activities, but we will not be deterred from showing our patriotism to England by anyone. I find it alarming that students being subsidised by tax payers are even allowed to participate in such violent organisations such as the UAF while allegedly in studies, let alone openly incite others to violence. Hopefully we will see a new kind of politician come to the fore such as yourself and this ridiculous state of affairs in our education system corrected so that radicals do not corrupt the free education that is afforded them by the tax payer, such as people who are participating in this march alongside their children.
11. 

    Bill Baker

    April 22, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    http://www.facebook.com/?tid=1351159430475&sk=messages#!/profile.php?id=515948807&v=wall&ref=search

    I hope the University are proud of such students. Will the police not tackle this idiot for promoting violence or will it be overlooked
12. 

    Bill Baker

    April 22, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=515948807&v=wall&ref=search
13. 

    Chief Inspector Laurence Taylor

    April 23, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Sussex Police have been meeting with both groups to facilitate a peaceful event and welcome freedom of speech. However, we will not tolerate any incitement of public disorder or violence. Follow my tweets online for further updates from me about the day. http://twitter.com/CInspTaylor
14. 

    Ed Andrews

    April 23, 2010 at 11:07 am

    very disappointed in the right-whingers response to all this. Celebrate England by all means, with our best wishes, but why do you need a March for England? English people don’t traditionally march on St George’s Day.

    We have offered you the olive branch, and in response you have accused us of being would-be child abusers. What lovely people you must be. I hope you can back that up, because you’re being slanderous. It just feels like you’re trying to ‘stoke’ up the tension so that you have an excuse for violence on the day. A little too much like Hitler and the Sudetenland, don’t you think?. Me? Well I’ll hope for the best but expect the worst.

    on Facebook, see: Celebrate Brighton’s Unity, Oppose the Racist EDL
    look this page up on facebook. as it says, ours is a celebration of multiculturalism and tolerance, not in any way a violent occasion involving weapons of any kind.

    You accuse us of having violent intentions (especially towards children, it seems), yet you expect us to believe that you are peaceful. You can’t have it both ways. After the assault on the WPC and numerous Asians in Stoke, we are mistrustful of your EDL contacts. We know they are going to turn up, and some BNP, all you have to do is look at some of the facebook friends who have signed up to come.

    Not even bothered if they do, so long as they behave themselves they will have no problem from us, but they will cause you problems if their track record is anything to go by. No-one is trying to foist socialism on anyone, that’s just plain rubbish. Thanks for the scum comment, if you will judge people by your own standards….very constructive. Hope Ch Insp Taylor has taken note.
15. 

    Bill Baker

    April 23, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    When you have Sussex uni students telling people on face book to bring weapons then how would you expect us to react Ed? To me that is scum and should be dealt with by the police. Had anyone other than one of your social unity group posted incitement to violence such as this then you would of been screaming for justice. I see you dont condemn his action and this therefore puts you in the same bracket.
16. 

    Bill Baker

    April 23, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    And a screen shot of the post by the student was sent to the university and the police, we are now hoping for a reaction from them to take this fool into custody and charge him as incitement to violence is a criminal offence, or is it that only people with socialist values are allowed to commit offences of this nature, but anyone who is patriotic to England should be hounded as a fascist. Your attitude is that no better than Stalin, as you seem to want to wipe out millions who do not agree with your political doctrine.

    Unfortunately the English are now seeing sense and realising that socialism is dead as a political function and it is only hard line communists such as yourself that are left.
17. 

    Bill Baker

    April 25, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    No comment then on the Uni student asking people to bring weapons and stuff ED? Oh he is a socialist so he is allowed to I suppose is that it?